It’s really striking to me how much common territory there are between the two. I’ve wondered sometimes about the rumor that DMT is released within our brains while we sleep.

Regardless though, I do think that there’s certainly something incredibly powerful to be gleaned from the 15 minute experience even if it’s difficult to get into any of the specifics. I’d say that there’s a certain level of profundity to the experience that goes beyond what the average dreamer would typically experience in REM sleep. When people develop the dream retention muscle enough though I think that the experiences can definitely go beyond standard psychedelic experiences. With lucid dreaming especially. I have a pretty hard time overstating the value of some of the experiences that i’ve had with DMT though truthfully.